1 00:00:12,499 --> 00:00:10,150 [Music] 2 00:00:16,820 --> 00:00:12,509 Thank You Moran for the nice 3 00:00:18,710 --> 00:00:16,830 introduction so before I jump into my 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:18,720 solutions for the phosphorylation 5 00:00:23,650 --> 00:00:22,330 problems I thought I would just give a 6 00:00:28,370 --> 00:00:23,660 [Music] 7 00:00:30,410 --> 00:00:28,380 give a little bit of the core philosophy 8 00:00:32,930 --> 00:00:30,420 and the core view that we have in the 9 00:00:37,060 --> 00:00:32,940 center for chemical evolution so while 10 00:00:40,850 --> 00:00:37,070 the RNA world looks really good and 11 00:00:44,619 --> 00:00:40,860 probably existed at some time we don't 12 00:00:48,380 --> 00:00:44,629 believe that that was the very first 13 00:00:50,209 --> 00:00:48,390 form of life that existed on this planet 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:50,219 we believe that there was something that 15 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:53,730 preceded it and we use clues from RNA 16 00:00:59,389 --> 00:00:56,129 and DNA to figure out what could have 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:00:59,399 preceded that and so one of the ways 18 00:01:04,670 --> 00:01:02,010 that we do that is we look at modern RNA 19 00:01:07,609 --> 00:01:04,680 in DNA and break it down into its three 20 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:07,619 central components you have the 21 00:01:13,130 --> 00:01:10,320 recognition units the basis that it uses 22 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:13,140 to store the information and also what 23 00:01:20,690 --> 00:01:16,320 can do the base pairing and solution you 24 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:20,700 have the ionized linker something that 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:23,070 has some sort of charge on it modern 26 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:25,770 life uses phosphate and this helps it to 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:28,320 soluble eyes in solution and also help 28 00:01:32,630 --> 00:01:30,329 the base pairing to happen by repelling 29 00:01:35,179 --> 00:01:32,640 the negative charges and then you have a 30 00:01:37,609 --> 00:01:35,189 tri functional connector a bridging 31 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:37,619 molecule that keeps these pieces 32 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:39,420 together and has nice chemical 33 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:41,970 functionality to help chemistry and 34 00:01:48,499 --> 00:01:45,000 biochemistry down the line so in our 35 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:48,509 Center we work on changing out these 36 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:51,930 pieces from RNA and DNA and putting 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:54,240 other pieces in there and seeing how 38 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:56,130 this affects its properties and if you 39 00:02:01,209 --> 00:01:58,619 can have life without having the 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:01,219 specific backbone as we see in modern 41 00:02:08,540 --> 00:02:04,530 biochemistry so we've had a good deal of 42 00:02:10,889 --> 00:02:08,550 success replacing the bases for the 43 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:10,899 recognition units and replacing the Tri 44 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:14,200 functional connectors but we've run into 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:16,180 some problems when we tried to change 46 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:18,730 that ionized linker into other moieties 47 00:02:24,690 --> 00:02:20,950 with our group and other groups in the 48 00:02:27,809 --> 00:02:24,700 world it just doesn't work as well so as 49 00:02:29,490 --> 00:02:27,819 opposed to trying to change it where 50 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:29,500 some of us in the lab are trying to 51 00:02:34,860 --> 00:02:32,620 embrace it what if we had phosphate at 52 00:02:38,699 --> 00:02:34,870 the origins and it got incorporated into 53 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:38,709 the molecules but this is fraught with 54 00:02:45,390 --> 00:02:42,760 some problems that have haunted the 55 00:02:50,490 --> 00:02:45,400 astrobiology community for the past 50 56 00:02:52,530 --> 00:02:50,500 to 60 years so one of the first issues 57 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:52,540 is how do you even react it with early 58 00:02:58,920 --> 00:02:54,190 molecules how do you get phosphate 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:02:58,930 incorporated in so these reactions are 60 00:03:03,899 --> 00:03:01,450 not favored in water at all it drives 61 00:03:07,490 --> 00:03:03,909 off water it's very hard to do in a 62 00:03:11,129 --> 00:03:07,500 water-based reaction and so modern 63 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:11,139 biochemists use organic solvents and dry 64 00:03:14,819 --> 00:03:12,489 conditions to actually add the 65 00:03:17,789 --> 00:03:14,829 phosphorylation which is problematic 66 00:03:20,250 --> 00:03:17,799 because you can view the early Earth 67 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:20,260 just covered in water and so it's nice 68 00:03:25,670 --> 00:03:22,900 to find some water or liquid based 69 00:03:28,610 --> 00:03:25,680 chemistry to make this happen and 70 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:28,620 another major problem is the phosphate 71 00:03:34,229 --> 00:03:31,599 availability issue so a lot of the 72 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:34,239 phosphate that we see on modern earth 73 00:03:40,289 --> 00:03:36,930 and we see from the mineral records is 74 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:40,299 bounded insoluble species with the 75 00:03:45,149 --> 00:03:43,290 divalent cations and so this is 76 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:45,159 traditionally been considered to be 77 00:03:50,729 --> 00:03:47,680 extremely inaccessible for prebiotic 78 00:03:53,460 --> 00:03:50,739 chemistry so how do we knock out these 79 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:53,470 problems one at a time so how did the 80 00:04:00,409 --> 00:03:57,250 phosphorylation chemistry even happen so 81 00:04:04,559 --> 00:04:00,419 a remarkable molecule that's been 82 00:04:07,559 --> 00:04:04,569 studied for the past 40 years is urea 83 00:04:11,309 --> 00:04:07,569 this is actually the first organically 84 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:11,319 synthesized molecule from waller in the 85 00:04:17,969 --> 00:04:15,489 early 19th century and it's a very it is 86 00:04:20,319 --> 00:04:17,979 thought to be extremely abundant on a 87 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:20,329 prebiotic earth 88 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:21,709 and one of the things that we all like 89 00:04:25,809 --> 00:04:24,289 to describe is you have the salt flats 90 00:04:28,869 --> 00:04:25,819 that you can see throughout the world 91 00:04:29,740 --> 00:04:28,879 now like this one depicted in Utah well 92 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:29,750 on a prebiotic 93 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:32,750 earth urea would have been so abundant 94 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:34,340 that we probably would have had your 95 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:36,560 rear flats just like we have salt flats 96 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:39,520 so this would be very abundant and found 97 00:04:45,909 --> 00:04:43,490 everywhere and when you take a very 98 00:04:49,540 --> 00:04:45,919 simple reaction you mix in some soluble 99 00:04:52,870 --> 00:04:49,550 phosphate with urea and different sugars 100 00:04:55,059 --> 00:04:52,880 you have no water and just add heat a 101 00:04:58,899 --> 00:04:55,069 hundred degrees or more you actually 102 00:05:00,999 --> 00:04:58,909 form the phosphorylated product so this 103 00:05:03,999 --> 00:05:01,009 has been discovered about 40 years ago 104 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:04,009 and it's a very nice reaction and a good 105 00:05:08,830 --> 00:05:06,050 way to get phosphate attached but it 106 00:05:11,740 --> 00:05:08,840 requires high temperatures that degrade 107 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:11,750 a lot of the molecules that you want to 108 00:05:15,339 --> 00:05:13,699 phosphorylate and creates an awful lot 109 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:15,349 of side products it's a very messy 110 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:17,449 reaction with low yields but it does 111 00:05:24,550 --> 00:05:22,610 work so we have some chemistry that can 112 00:05:27,420 --> 00:05:24,560 work well how do you solve the problem 113 00:05:29,770 --> 00:05:27,430 of running it in the presence of water 114 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:29,780 so as I pointed out you can see the 115 00:05:34,689 --> 00:05:32,060 reaction at the bottom just attaching 116 00:05:37,629 --> 00:05:34,699 phosphate to a simple molecule like 117 00:05:40,980 --> 00:05:37,639 glycerol it drives off water and you 118 00:05:43,749 --> 00:05:40,990 form the bus for the the phosphorylated 119 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:43,759 organic down there it doesn't work if 120 00:05:48,580 --> 00:05:45,529 there's water because you need to remove 121 00:05:51,459 --> 00:05:48,590 the water so one of the things that 122 00:05:53,950 --> 00:05:51,469 we've started to look at based upon some 123 00:05:58,149 --> 00:05:53,960 previous work is using eutectics 124 00:06:01,089 --> 00:05:58,159 and eutectics are very unique systems 125 00:06:02,620 --> 00:06:01,099 you can take two solids like is depicted 126 00:06:05,409 --> 00:06:02,630 on the left and the right there 127 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:05,419 mix them together and they actually form 128 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:08,090 a liquid so it lowers the melting point 129 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:09,770 of both of them you can take it to very 130 00:06:17,769 --> 00:06:13,310 low temperatures in a water free 131 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:17,779 environment and so the tactics that I 132 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:20,210 use for my experiments they do start 133 00:06:25,330 --> 00:06:23,000 with excess water but we heat them open 134 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:25,340 to the atmosphere and drive off most of 135 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:27,050 the excess water and create this nice 136 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:28,560 liquid environment 137 00:06:37,159 --> 00:06:31,470 that goes down to very low temperatures 138 00:06:39,740 --> 00:06:37,169 so now we have this now we have this 139 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:39,750 eutectic which I use urea to make 140 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:42,480 so it's a very urea rich environment 141 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:44,370 that's liquid and you can do a lot of 142 00:06:51,409 --> 00:06:47,190 very interesting fluid based chemistry 143 00:06:56,110 --> 00:06:51,419 at low temperatures and the tactics that 144 00:06:59,060 --> 00:06:56,120 I use are made of very valuable 145 00:07:01,730 --> 00:06:59,070 components of prebiotic ly so I have a 146 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:01,740 ammonium formate and ammonium acetate we 147 00:07:05,540 --> 00:07:03,810 look at different chemical synthetic 148 00:07:07,340 --> 00:07:05,550 reactions that would have been likely on 149 00:07:09,860 --> 00:07:07,350 a prebiotic earth and see a lot of these 150 00:07:12,500 --> 00:07:09,870 just pop out and one of the wonderful 151 00:07:14,870 --> 00:07:12,510 things if you mix these together it 152 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:14,880 evaporates off most of the compounds and 153 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:16,950 you get a very specific ratio in a 154 00:07:20,510 --> 00:07:18,930 perfect ratio for doing a lot of the 155 00:07:22,219 --> 00:07:20,520 chemistry that we're looking for so you 156 00:07:24,469 --> 00:07:22,229 can start with any concentration that 157 00:07:27,650 --> 00:07:24,479 you want it all converges upon what we 158 00:07:30,980 --> 00:07:27,660 need so we've found a reaction medium 159 00:07:34,850 --> 00:07:30,990 that removes the water from it so that's 160 00:07:36,529 --> 00:07:34,860 cool we have two steps down already but 161 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:36,539 where do we get the phosphate from and 162 00:07:40,510 --> 00:07:38,310 this has traditionally been the biggest 163 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:40,520 problem with prebiotic phosphorylation 164 00:07:44,900 --> 00:07:43,050 so most of the minerals would be present 165 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:44,910 in or most of the phosphate would be 166 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:47,130 bound in a hydroxyl apatite which is 167 00:07:52,310 --> 00:07:49,919 extremely insoluble so it's bad for 168 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:52,320 doing chemistry but it's good for modern 169 00:07:57,020 --> 00:07:54,840 life as this is what we make up when we 170 00:08:02,830 --> 00:07:57,030 used to make up bounce and if bones are 171 00:08:07,219 --> 00:08:05,390 that's a problem these don't dissolve 172 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:07,229 you don't have any phosphate in your 173 00:08:12,620 --> 00:08:10,560 solution so we start looking at the 174 00:08:14,029 --> 00:08:12,630 modern earth as an analogue and try to 175 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:14,039 figure out where we could have got 176 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:16,410 phosphate from and see if it would be 177 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:17,850 similar to what we could have on a 178 00:08:22,610 --> 00:08:20,310 prebiotic earth so what are the 179 00:08:26,510 --> 00:08:22,620 environments depict at the top is laguna 180 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:26,520 santa maria in argentina and we see that 181 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:29,370 this is a phosphate rich system that is 182 00:08:34,130 --> 00:08:31,770 in this aqueous pool so that seems great 183 00:08:36,740 --> 00:08:34,140 but you take a closer look and you see 184 00:08:38,779 --> 00:08:36,750 that the phosphate is coming from all of 185 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:38,789 the biomass that's in there so it's not 186 00:08:43,209 --> 00:08:39,529 really a 187 00:08:45,579 --> 00:08:43,219 source it's just a biological source but 188 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:45,589 then one of my collaborators remembered 189 00:08:51,939 --> 00:08:47,600 some of his work that he did in Spain 190 00:08:56,460 --> 00:08:51,949 just looking at of all things pig urine 191 00:08:59,470 --> 00:08:56,470 and waste pops so these are urea 192 00:09:04,179 --> 00:08:59,480 magnesium and calcium rich environments 193 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:04,189 that just form giant waste pools and 194 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:05,870 when you look at them you would expect 195 00:09:10,689 --> 00:09:07,970 to see the calcium phosphate the 196 00:09:13,079 --> 00:09:10,699 hydroxyl apatite babe depicted before 197 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:13,089 but instead you see this mineral called 198 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:15,769 struvite which is a much more soluble 199 00:09:20,949 --> 00:09:18,170 form and you see that to the exclusion 200 00:09:22,689 --> 00:09:20,959 of any other minerals in there so 201 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:22,699 instead of form a hydroxyl apatite it 202 00:09:27,699 --> 00:09:24,649 gets trapped in this more soluble form 203 00:09:29,889 --> 00:09:27,709 so we started thinking can you do this 204 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:29,899 in a laboratory so we tried to 205 00:09:35,220 --> 00:09:32,120 synthesize the struvite which would be a 206 00:09:38,079 --> 00:09:35,230 much better source for phosphorylation 207 00:09:41,439 --> 00:09:38,089 and we thought about this in terms of a 208 00:09:43,629 --> 00:09:41,449 prebiotic model so you can have a pool 209 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:43,639 on the early earth full of calcium 210 00:09:47,829 --> 00:09:45,889 magnesium and phosphate it would 211 00:09:50,199 --> 00:09:47,839 precipitate and form this mineral at the 212 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:50,209 bottom then you could drive off all the 213 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:52,670 water you have some local outgassing 214 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:55,430 from volcanoes and other hydrothermal 215 00:10:02,259 --> 00:09:58,850 vents and it could form it could provide 216 00:10:06,610 --> 00:10:02,269 magnesium and sulfate and urea and 217 00:10:10,329 --> 00:10:06,620 formate the way you come down wash it 218 00:10:14,740 --> 00:10:10,339 into the pool and then you get the 219 00:10:16,210 --> 00:10:14,750 conversion to the exact form of minerals 220 00:10:17,769 --> 00:10:16,220 that we need down there so instead of 221 00:10:21,069 --> 00:10:17,779 calcium phosphate now you have a 222 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:21,079 struvite layer at the bottom and you've 223 00:10:26,139 --> 00:10:22,929 done it you've mobilized the phosphate 224 00:10:29,019 --> 00:10:26,149 so we tested this in the laboratory we 225 00:10:30,999 --> 00:10:29,029 simply took the hydroxyl apatite mix it 226 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:31,009 with the eutectic heated it for seven 227 00:10:37,059 --> 00:10:32,990 days with adding an magnesium sulfate 228 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:37,069 and lo and behold we saw the conversion 229 00:10:42,819 --> 00:10:39,800 of hydroxyl apatite disturb it-- and we 230 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:42,829 have the XRD and the rom inspector over 231 00:10:48,610 --> 00:10:46,490 there to help to prove it but we saw 232 00:10:52,180 --> 00:10:48,620 basically quantitative conversion in 233 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:52,190 these conditions which is fantastic so 234 00:10:56,410 --> 00:10:54,560 we wanted to put it all together and see 235 00:11:00,730 --> 00:10:56,420 if not only you could convert but if you 236 00:11:02,170 --> 00:11:00,740 could also phosphorylate so one of the 237 00:11:03,579 --> 00:11:02,180 things we looked at for prebiotic 238 00:11:05,350 --> 00:11:03,589 chemistry is you want to keep it simple 239 00:11:08,019 --> 00:11:05,360 the early Earth didn't have a lot of 240 00:11:10,329 --> 00:11:08,029 tools and neither should we so I just 241 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:10,339 run my reactions on a simple plate by 242 00:11:16,329 --> 00:11:13,310 mixing everything together so I take 243 00:11:18,370 --> 00:11:16,339 adenosine as my model molecule mix it 244 00:11:20,769 --> 00:11:18,380 with any phosphate source mineral or 245 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:20,779 soluble phosphate heat it from fifty 246 00:11:25,210 --> 00:11:22,490 eighty five degrees and they do get 247 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:25,220 phosphorylated identity and one of the 248 00:11:30,130 --> 00:11:27,620 nice things I put up this chromatogram 249 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:30,140 up here just to show how clean these 250 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:32,810 reactions are so every peak on there 251 00:11:38,620 --> 00:11:36,290 represents a different species and so I 252 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:38,630 get all of these phosphorylated species 253 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:40,640 and not many other side reactions so 254 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:42,410 this is a lot cleaner than the previous 255 00:11:49,870 --> 00:11:47,120 work and overall I've created for 256 00:11:52,389 --> 00:11:49,880 different eutectics that I show up here 257 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:52,399 the part that outlined in red is using 258 00:11:56,430 --> 00:11:54,890 soluble phosphate and you can see I can 259 00:11:58,690 --> 00:11:56,440 get upwards of 90 percent 260 00:12:01,269 --> 00:11:58,700 phosphorylation when phosphate but when 261 00:12:04,449 --> 00:12:01,279 the phosphate is in water or in the 262 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:04,459 eutectic soluble when I take the 263 00:12:09,940 --> 00:12:07,550 struvite or Newberry as I have depicted 264 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:09,950 here which is moderately soluble the 265 00:12:15,370 --> 00:12:12,380 phosphorylation does go down but I can 266 00:12:17,829 --> 00:12:15,380 still get better than 20% so that is a 267 00:12:19,630 --> 00:12:17,839 pretty good mineral for phosphorylating 268 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:19,640 you can't expect 100% yields from 269 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:21,410 everything but one of the most 270 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:22,850 remarkable things is with the 271 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:26,720 hydroxyapatite down there we get a small 272 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:28,850 amount of phosphorylation which is 273 00:12:35,050 --> 00:12:31,970 better than what is shown here with just 274 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:35,060 the urea where you get none and even 275 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:39,110 more interestingly when we add magnesium 276 00:12:43,900 --> 00:12:41,570 to the reaction magnesium sulfate 277 00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:43,910 a doubling or tripling of the amount of 278 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:46,700 phosphate so we take these eutectics 279 00:12:51,250 --> 00:12:49,850 just add some magnesium sulfate and we 280 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:51,260 get a good amount of phosphorylation 281 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:53,930 helping to address a long-held problem 282 00:12:59,440 --> 00:12:57,170 in prebiotic chemistry so that overall 283 00:13:01,690 --> 00:12:59,450 conclusions the phosphorylation is 284 00:13:03,940 --> 00:13:01,700 robust it happens in a wide range of 285 00:13:06,730 --> 00:13:03,950 mixture it's not a very specialized 286 00:13:08,950 --> 00:13:06,740 reaction it's absorbed at moderately low 287 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:08,960 temperatures as low as 50 degrees which 288 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:11,600 is very easy on prebiotic earth it's 289 00:13:17,530 --> 00:13:13,970 successful with the insoluble hydroxyl 290 00:13:19,270 --> 00:13:17,540 apatite and it's significantly improved 291 00:13:21,940 --> 00:13:19,280 in the presence of magnesium sulfate 292 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:21,950 these are very prebiotic viable 293 00:13:27,670 --> 00:13:25,130 conditions and so I'd like to 294 00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:27,680 acknowledge my collaborators from many 295 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:29,600 different Institute's from the 296 00:13:33,820 --> 00:13:31,610 University of southern Florida and from 297 00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:33,830 the University of the University da de 298 00:13:38,710 --> 00:13:34,640 alcalá 299 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:38,720 and my group and my funding sources and 300 00:13:58,150 --> 00:13:52,490 I'd like to take any questions now all 301 00:14:00,010 --> 00:13:58,160 right catch it's worked all right is the 302 00:14:03,070 --> 00:14:00,020 is the mechanism there more tied to the 303 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:03,080 heating or to the drying the mechanism 304 00:14:09,010 --> 00:14:06,440 is tied to the urea in the absence of 305 00:14:10,690 --> 00:14:09,020 water and so you do need some heat there 306 00:14:12,970 --> 00:14:10,700 in order to actually activate the 307 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:12,980 phosphate okay so it's not about driving 308 00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:14,450 though it's not about driving the water 309 00:14:19,930 --> 00:14:17,240 off it's about it's about both okay okay 310 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:19,940 if I try to run it in water if I close 311 00:14:34,810 --> 00:14:32,930 the vials it doesn't work now yeah what 312 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:34,820 about the pH for example we have 313 00:14:39,340 --> 00:14:37,010 hydroxyapatite which is not soluble but 314 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:39,350 the Fiat sulfuric acid which is common 315 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:40,370 and we'll connect settings you just 316 00:14:45,940 --> 00:14:42,740 leash all the phosphate immediately so 317 00:14:49,030 --> 00:14:45,950 it's not a problem on the more acidic 318 00:14:49,580 --> 00:14:49,040 page in 7 sure yeah and so that's one of 319 00:14:51,950 --> 00:14:49,590 the things 320 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:51,960 can have extremely low PHS which will 321 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:54,570 sell utilize it and that's fine but it's 322 00:14:59,060 --> 00:14:56,730 hard to preserve a lot of the chemicals 323 00:15:01,610 --> 00:14:59,070 that you need and do other reactions in 324 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:01,620 an extremely acidic environment so you 325 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:03,510 can view it as a multi-step problem 326 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:05,970 where you dissolve it you possibly 327 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:08,070 phosphorylate it and then you move it on 328 00:15:13,130 --> 00:15:11,010 to another system so that's been the 329 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:13,140 traditional view of it before but it's 330 00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:15,930 highly contentious because of the other